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  KS10 Chapter Three

  by yknot in

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  chapter three from 'shepherding the flock of go' published by the wts of penn/ny as part of their worldwide bible educational work.

  the wts is a non-profit whose publications are not for sale but are freely given to those who show 'genuine' interest..... while not required, a donation is always joyfully accepted .

  well i was going to stick to the boe ltr for a 'pre-view' but somebody deleted my sendspace links.

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  ynot - thanks so much. I know you know how important it is to allow these documents to see the light of day. You're doing good work girl, keep it up.

  To the Bethel monitor - how's it going? I'll bet you guys are really upset that a sister is the one who is "brazeningly" (is that even a word) posting this stuff. It's your own guys that are selling you out. I guess this is why you guys despise your elders so much. Maybe if you didn't treat folks so badly, they'd keep your confidential stuff confidential. You kick a dog too many times, don't be surprised when they bite you.

  EE - easy bro, I know exactly what you're talking about. But, I promise, it can get better. I do hope you take notes at your school and post them. I'll be interested in hearing your perspective.

  God, I'm glad I won't be spending 2 days being told what a worthless piece of crap I am. That was always the feeling I came away with after leaving these schools.
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  KS10- Chapter One Discussion

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first and foremost i want to thank all the brothers (and one or two sisters) who were pdfing like mad to get these 'pre-kingdom school' chapter reviews ready (as per boe ltr these are 1,2,4-7,9 & 11)!.

  for those of you trying to see who could do the entire book i want to let you know we had a 'dark horse' enter this race and his email was so compelling he is our 'winner' in being responsible for the full book (forthwith coming in the next day or so)-- and i will reveal more about him (as per his wishes) then.. so lets not waste anymore time in reviewing chapter one of the 'shepheding the flock of god' published by the wts (a non-profit organization whose purpose of this publication like all others is provided as part of a worldwide bible educational work.

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  Thanks ynot (and friends)!! These chapters are just the set up for the real Talmud (the old 5a,b & c from the Flock book). I just downloaded chapter 2. Chapter 1 was pretty benign but set the stage that the elders are acting on behalf of God via the WTS.
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  I HATE this religion

  by brotherdan in

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  so today was my first sunday meeting that i didn't go with my wife.

  as an update she has decided not to move out right now...because she doesn't have anywhere to go.

  but she is giving me the silent treatment.

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  I know Dan. I can't even imagine the pain you're going through right now. But you are important. You are something even if you don't have your wife. Remember, it's not you that's making her cry. It's the WTS's crazy teachings.

  Your actions will show that you love your children, even that you still love your wife. Although the pain may feel for the moment unbearable, you will get through this. You have to get through this for the sake of your kids. They will end up better off. Be a good father (which I'm sure you are). In time, they will come to understand why you made the choices you did and they will have something that maybe you didn't, a choice whether to be a JW or not.
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  I HATE this religion

  by brotherdan in

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  so today was my first sunday meeting that i didn't go with my wife.

  as an update she has decided not to move out right now...because she doesn't have anywhere to go.

  but she is giving me the silent treatment.

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  Dan - please, please don't do anything permanent. If not for you, then for your kids. What state are you in?
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  KS10 Chapter Two Discussion

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  continuing onward into chapter two (as directed by the boe ltr dated aug 23, 2010) of "shepherding the flock of god" a publication by the non profit organizatin known as the wts of penn & ny as part of their for donation only bible educational work.. for those of interested in chapter one discussion please see: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.

  chapter two discusses the various titles within the boe.. subtitles are:.

  2) elder's meetings.

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  Idiots! Do they really think they can stop the leaks???

  Ynot and your suppliers - OUTSTANDING JOB!! Keep up the good work.

  Is there a better site to share this stuff? Wikileaks maybe?

  Can't wait to read this stuff although I can't at work because our firewall blocks those file sharing sites.
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  At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

  by Think About It in

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  most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

  althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

  finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

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  When I read the BITE criteria and the WTS fit almost all of the subpoints. That KM in 07 I think that said we shouldn't do research outside the WTS publications really sealed it for me. That's when I stopped commenting since many of my comments were based on things like Strong's or different translations other than the NWT.
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  If you felt/feel that you had/have good, close "friends" in the org, how did/does it feel to just give them up?

  by Crisis of Conscience in

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  2. friends

  this is my biggest dilema.

  although mentally i really feel i could walk away from the org right now, i still have genuine love for the people i have come to know over the years.

  i love people!.

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  MLE - I totally understand where you're coming from. I was always worried about getting too close to other JWs for the same reasons. It stretches into adulthood as well. I agree there is no true love in the org.

  You know, if you do transfer out to the other hall, that would be an easy way to decline reappointment. I remember when I moved to another area, I was still an elder but held out on reappointment until the CO came. That gave me a few months to really think about it and the only reason I actually agreed to be reappointed was so I could go through the congo files to make sure there were no pedos there. I really wanted to get one tossed into jail but that hall didn't sweep one of those perves under the carpet. I wish I had never accepted reappointment because it made it slightly worse for me to get involved in the politics of another area.

  Don't be so sure that the old folks won't have drama. They will have their psychos and the like just like the congo you're current in. That's the way the WTS rolls. I haven't seen one well adjusted congo yet and I've lived in several parts of the country and have you by a few years.
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  To all those who who bang on elders who post here

  by elderelite in

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  and had the audacity and hypocritical nerve to suggest that no elder could provide anything to this forum that couldn't be gotten else where, i started a thread a little over a day ago with a link that was entittled "ks 2010".

  that link has been clicked on 1,156 times in a little over 24 hours.

  thats almost once a minute every minute non stop.

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  EE - when I first started here, I had some critical comments directed at me. I wasn't even going to say that I had a "position" but I felt it was important to mention it because I thought it would show lurkers that even those that they thought were very loyal to the WTS were having doubts and that it would somehow make them feel less alone.

  I would say that since most of us haven't met IRL that none of the comments can really be personal. Folks that are critical or call folks names aren't really angry at you personally. Even if they were, would you really care? However, they are angry at the WTS. They're angry at the lies they've been told, the blind loyalty they showed, maybe the molester that was protected, the feelings of standing out as different from almost everyone they know.

  They direct that anger towards those that may hold positions with the WTS because (like it or not), they do represent the WTS publically. I guess all JWs do but especially those "taking the lead". Even if they don't believe it.

  I do think those that leak documents and other info play an important role of pulling the curtain back and revealing Oz. I hope you post the new book, notes on the KM School and any other documents that you can safely post. It may not help those that have left and have no family, but it is helpful for the rest.
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  The offical Screaming thread for those 'still in' or with family 'still in'

  by pirata in

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  aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  that feels better.

  thanks all for listening to things that i cannot say to my family or 'friends', the very people that i should be able to talk about anything about, without fear of being labelled as an apostate and shunned like an amharet..

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  Doubting Bro

  Do you hear me? by Crystal Mathis

  Do you hear my cries at night?
  Do you hear my wimpers through the day?
  Do you hear my heart screaming of pain?

  Can't you see, my world is gray?
  Can't you understand I am no longer happy?
  Can you try to feel my pain?

  I scream, but no one hears me.
  I cry but no one sees me.
  I hurt, but no one can feel my pain.

  Don't you hear my words?
  Can't you hear my screams?
  Please, I pray for you to hear me...
  just this once, please hear my cries!
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  The Society, having lost its younger generation, now appears to be doing its darndest to lose the older ones as well

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  from all the "annual general meeting" notes floating around, one quotation stands out in particular:.

  many older ones already are telling the younger ones how they regretted not getting an education, pursuing a lucrative career, saving up money or not having a retirement plan.

  the sad truth is that such ones are like the murmurers of israel when coming out of egypt.. what does this remark tell us?.

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  Doubting Bro

  same thing with my parents. They got baptized in the early 70s and swore that I wouldn't see the first grade. As some of their grandchildren are graduating high school, my dad is retired but on a very fixed income. His advice to me is to plan like the system will last forever. If it doesn't, no harm. If it does, then at least I'll be able to retire and not be a burden. It's really sad to see these folks facing their own mortality after thinking for so long that they would never die.

  I agree with you Sir. If they start to lose the 50+ "generation", the cash flow issues they have now will be nothing.